Ian Simpson Of 2iGlobal Explains Warrior Forum WSO Scam Newsletters Attorney And More

Since I published an article about Ian Simpson and his failed Warrior Forum WSO offer, the guy has been feverishly sending me emails and such to tell his side of the story. Unfortunately, for all his typed words about attorney advice, Ian Simpson explained very little.

He sent me excuses, non sequiturs, veiled attorney legal threats, wild claims of land deals, need of bed rest and other nonsense. He's a real piece of work.

He has not refunded any money to his Warrior Forum WSO victims so I'll be writing more about Mr. Ian Simpson. In the meantime I thought you would enjoy an interview I gave him.

He was very circumspect, insisted we meet in an undisclosed parking garage and promised not to bring his attorney. Here's how it went down.

Ian Simpson Explains Warrior Forum Scam And Other Frauds
by: ParodyProductions

Ian Simpson Of East Sussex Steals Thousands With WSO Fraud

Warrior Forum member Ian Simpson wanted to show you how easy it is to turn $125 into $13,000 per month. Times are tough, who couldn't use an extra thirteen grand a month? What a swell guy.

So Ian created a Warrior Forum WSO to get the word out to other Warrior Forum members who wanted to make gobs of cash for doing almost nothing. Mr. Simpson called it the "Proven and Lazy Way to Make Money Online".

According to Ian Simpson here's how it works in a nutshell:

"All you have to do is give us your keywords and our software finds which keywords will be profitable, then in 2 minutes our software builds great looking Customizsed(sic) and Monitized(sic) websites."

Yes, your keywords and oh yeah, some of your money. But don't worry, Ian has a "100% Money Back GUARANTEE". Just shell out $125, or is it $150, or is it $420 plus $60 per month? Oh it's all so confusing, but folks want that extra $13,000 a month!

There was only one little problem. Like the majority of WSOs offered on the Warrior Forum, Ian Simpson's WSO didn't work----AT ALL!

But wait, Ian assured all his customers there's just a few glitches to fix, then everyone can start making $13,000 a month! Trust him, he says and oh yeah send him more money so he can make the appropriate adjustments. Many folks do just that.

Here's a letter I received from one of Ian Simpson's customers:

Basically what he did after he took an initial payment was say he needed to improve his system and needed more money. It was almost blackmail.  Said if we didn’t invest more the sites were dead ducks in the water as they weren’t ranking like they should.

A lot people paid him more money and got no results with it.  One of the things was add backlinks.  They were never done. I’m in contact with another couple of people on the thread and I’m sure they will back up what I say.

I lost appox $300-$400 all in.  I’m sure there are people that lost more, even thousands.

He has now moved on to forex.  He is ignoring emails from members and refusing refunds despite offering them in his sales copy.

You can read the entire ten page sorry Warrior Forum Ian Simpson thread. It's still up there although Warrior Forum Fraud Enabler Paul Myers will probably take it down after he reads this article.

The "100% Money Back GUARANTEE"? Ian Simpson didn't honor it. He refused to refund the thousands of dollars he stole from Warrior Forum members. Plus Warrior Forum moderator Paul Myers did nothing about Simpson's WSO scam. In fact, Paul Myers still has Ian Simpson listed as a Warrior Forum member in good standing. Here's Ian Simpson's Warrior Forum profile.

I wrote to Ian Simpson to get his side of the story. You see, I discovered there was an Ian Simpson, same name, same age, same home town in England, Hailsham, East Sussex, who had been convicted and jailed for two and a half years in 2001. His crime was perpetuating a huge fraud on England's Value Added Tax system.

This Ian Simpson ran 'seminars' that revealed how to defraud the UK's VAT collection authorities. It was a big deal, in fact one of this Ian Simpson's seminar students, Kenneth Young, admitted defrauding the VAT collection authorities of 2.4million pounds over seven months, obtaining 224,000 pounds from customer companies and stealing a further 290,000 pounds! Kenneth Young was jailed for five years.

Here's a BBC story about the Ian Simpson Kenneth Young Fraud.
Here's another article by Jack Mathieson about the same scam.

So, along with Ian Simpson's explanation about the Warrior Forum WSO scam, I wanted to know if Ian was the same Ian Simpson who defrauded the UK government. He never denied it. He did keep closing and changing email accounts to avoid me but I had current, active email accounts for him, so I know he received my letters.

Like all his Warrior Forum WSO scam victims, all I got from Ian Simpson was silence. What a swell guy.

UPDATE: My interview with Ian Simpson where he explains his actions, newsletters and attorney advice.

Naomi Dunford Spins Lies As Salty Droid Reveals Truth

Naomi Dunford

A while back, on a Warrior Forum thread, a woman asked for information about highly skilled female internet marketers.

Within the two pages of replies, Tiffany Dow and Naomi Dunford were mentioned.

Tiffany was a great answer because she is a very talented IMer, who provides useful information in an honest and entertaining way. I've mentioned Tiffany Dow on this blog before. Specifically, here and here.

Today, I'm going write about Naomi Dunford. Naomi Dunford was a poor recommendation because she is everything honest folks despise.

Salty Droid exposed scam artists Naomi Dunford and Dave Navarro in a series of well researched and devastating articles published on the brilliant fraud busting website, The Salty Droid.

Salty Droid

If you're not familiar with the Droid's revelations about Naomi Dunford, Dave Navarro, IttyBiz and the entire shit storm in a hornet's nest, you will enjoy catching up here:

Naomi Dunford articles and Dave Navarro articles.

If you wish to read just two articles about Naomi Dunford's true character, read these:

Spider Shit Storm

Naomi Dunford’s Death Threats and Hate Crimes

After enjoying The Droid's expose you will realize there is no doubt Naomi Dunford and her sad sack, pathetic sidekick Dave Navarro are dishonest internet marketers who want to fleece you and the Canada Revenue Agency. However, Naomi's response to Salty Droid's revelations compounds her guilt.

She went on the attack with a disingenuous blog post crafted to gain sympathy from readers who didn't know the true story. In it, Naomi ignored Salty Droid's well documented facts and instead spun a tale about misogyny and death threats on a foundation of a real tragedy that had nothing to do with Naomi Dunford.

Salty Droid issuing death threats and committing hate crimes? LOL, that's an absurd, false implication by a desperate scam artist, Naomi Dunford, who was caught red handed discussing how to steal money from innocent folks and her government's tax collector.

The Salty Droid is a lawyer. He's intelligent, witty and absolutely relentless when exposing frauds like Naomi Dunford. He protects men and women from those who would prey on them. He does it honestly, ethically and legally.

It was a despicably dishonest article by a crooked, deceitful, dirty-dealing, self-proclaimed foul mouthed IM diva, Naomi Dunford that started showing up on websites and blogs run by seemingly nice people like Tori Deaux, Amy Davis Roth and others. Some of these bloggers write about real issues involving actual hate crimes and death threats against innocent women.

Sadly, Tori Deaux, Amy Davis Roth and others were hoodwinked by Naomi Dunford and her lies. It was Naomi's way of deflecting the spotlight away from her sins onto a concocted, cooked-up apocryphal scapegoat, The Droid.

Well The Salty Droid is no one's scapegoat. He has already won with his piquant use of truth, research, facts and integrity. Naomi Dunford has lost but sadly, the important women's issues that Amy Davis Roth and others write so passionately about may have been diminished by Naomi Dunford crying wolf.

Warrior Forum Sucks Comments Tip

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Free speech is welcome at 'Warrior Forum Sucks' so make all the relevant comments you wish.

I notice that many of you do not take advantage of the back linking juice I make available in the comment section. In this post I'll show you how.

There are several options in the drop down menu to sign or name your comment. Look at the picture below.

To get a good back link click the Name/URL option that is highlighted in blue above. After clicking it you will see this:

In the name area you can type in any keyword you want or just type in your name. I don't care. Then type or paste in your website address in the URL box, hit continue then write your comment and post it.

All comments are do follow plus 'Warrior Forum Sucks' is a very popular blog so next time you leave a comment why not receive a great back link instead of just making an anonymous remark?

Many of you leave links in the body section of your comment. That's perfectly OK, I allow that but use this simple line of HTML code when you do that. This will make your website address, YouTube video URL and such, a clickable link.

Obviously I'm not looking for any spam comments. I do moderate all comments in order to block spam and beyond the pale profanity but other than that your comment will be published.

Warrior Forum WSO Crap Will Be Shut Down

Regular readers of Warrior Forum Sucks know that the Warrior Forum's WSO section is a cesspool of stinking scams, with rare exceptions that float to the top.

Greedy owner Allen Says and his sycophant mod-puppet Paul Myers allow any turd WSO to be offered there, so it's practically impossible to select an honest, effective WSO.

The Warrior Special Offer Forum is a very dangerous place for a consumer and his wallet. There is so much useless crap hawked on the Warrior Forum that good folks, searching for honest marketing advice, lose money there daily.

Here are some official Allen Says, Warrior Forum stickies listed above the WSO section.

... the forum does not review, recommend, or confirm the content of WSOs, and disclaims all responsibility for whether they live up to their promises

...If By Chance You Do Get Scammed By Someone The Problem Is Between You And Them. Not The Forum. Not The MOD's. And Not The Forum Owner.

...You have zero protection in here.

Very reassuring, hey? These rules could be posted above the door to a crack house. Some people keep seeking that magic money making bullet with the zeal of a crackhead looking for his next hit. Allen Says knows this and makes his ill gotten gains from it.

Allen doesn't directly push the crack. He just rents out his building to the drug dealers. There are a couple of honest tenants but the majority are there to sell an inferior product.

Recently Warrior Forum member thesorcerersapprentice started a thread with some suggestions and questions about the WSO section:

'Originally Posted by thesorcerersapprentice
This has led me to consider whether there should be tighter control on how and when WSOs are released to this community. Is it time to put in place some mechanism to ensure that:

a. Products do what they claim?
b. Support mechanisms are in place and able to deal with enquiries?
c. There is a limit to the number of WSOs that any warrior can release within a certain period of time.

Also should all WSOs be submitted to a Senior Warriors Committee for approval first?'

These questions set of a firestorm of commentary on the Warrior Forum. I thought the OP posed some fair questions but I would have gone further.

I believe the Warrior Forum should be held responsible for the damage caused by the WSO section just as Craigslist was held responsible for their Adult Services section.

Warrior Forum member CDarklock chimed in about the WSO problem:

'...the general lack of due diligence and failure to do a good job is normal.'

Again, an honest assessment but not very comforting to WSO buyers, hey?

The OP, thesorcerersapprentice, perhaps displayed too much of his real concern, when he worried the WSO scam machine might disappear, with this response to CDarklock:

'But this is precisely the point of the whole thread...how long can this continue for before someone gets seriously pi****d off and ruins it for everyone?'

CDarklock replies:

'Like, say, by demanding higher standards to release a WSO?

That would ruin it for an awful lot of people, you know.'





Warrior Forum member Johnny Slater comes to the Warrior Forum's defense with this ridiculous comment:


'The Warrior Forum is under NO obligation to the buyers of WSO's as has been stated many many times by Allen.'


Ahh, don't you feel safe shopping there?

To be fair, there were a couple of honest comments. One was from Warrior Forum member Fernando Veloso:

'Some WSO's are clearly bad, and a couple posts after the sales page you understand it right away.

There was this one, a couple weeks ago selling "illegal" licenses of software... and when he got caught red handed, he just said "ok, I'll replace the illegal software for a link for a illegal download"...

So, yeah, some things to adjust in there.' 

And Kneb Knebaih said:


'I think that we should have some kind of common sense and ethic "moderation" in place...I´d say that just 1% live up to its claims...So yes, I think there is clearly some things that need improvement, some kind of moderation has to take place here. I understand that this forum is a goldmine to owners, but ethics should be ABOVE and before money...I have many friends in other respected forums, even some owners of famous and well respected marketing forums, and everytime we speak about WSOs and the Warrior Forum in general they laughed at, big time.'

When Craigslist Hos were getting robbed, attacked and murdered, Craigslist tried to justify their actions by saying they were just a classified ads publisher. They turned their heads, washed their hands, collected the ad revenue and said they had no responsibility. 'Caveat emptor' they cried.

The Warrior Forum and many of it's greedy members use the same argument. It didn't fly at Craigslist (they shut down their adult services section) and it won't fly at the Warrior Forum. Thousands of good folks are being fleeced and scammed by the WSO section.


Whether it's a Government investigation by the Federal Trade Commission and/or Attorney General or just word of mouth, the Warrior Forum WSO Scam Machine will come tumbling down.

I wonder if the warden will allow Allen Says to smoke Cuban cigars in his prison cell?

Warrior Forum Sucks Thread On Warrior Forum!

A Warrior Forum Sucks Fan started a thread about our popular blog on the Warrior Forum! We've been mentioned on the Warrior Forum before but this was revealing because the Warrior Forum member stated that he found our little publication humorous and that he was a fan. Do you think his free expression was allowed to stand?

He was censored of course, then banned from the Warrior Forum. Paul Myers did the dirty work. However, a cached version of the Warrior Forum thread is still available. If you're not sure what a cached version of a webpage is, here are two articles that will explain it to you.

Cached Pages

Access Cached Versions of Webpages When a Website is Down

So, Paul Myers' censorship notwithstanding, let's take a look at the thread.

Click To Enlarge

Pretty cool hey? However, Warrior Forum moderator Paul Myers didn't think so. This thread caused Myers to get his man panties in a bunch. Although the above thread show's our fan, 'usernames suck' to be an active Warrior Forum member, that is the cached version, a snapshot Google took of the page before Paul Myers went on his censorship rampage.

If we look at the 'usernames suck' Warrior Forum profile page we see that our fan has been banned.

So now let's look at the last 8 visitors to our fan's Warrior Forum profile page.

As Gomer would say, 'Surprise, surprise!', Paul Myers was one of the last visitors to our fan's Warrior Forum profile page before he was banned.

I don't know who our fan is but he seems to be associated with BlogthingsDot, so I'll give him a link.

Here is the a link to the cached version of the Warrior Forum Sucks thread on the Warrior Forum. The one Paul Myers hoped you'd never see.

Warrior Forum Paul Myers Nasty Piece Of Work

Recently a Warrior Forum member left an anonymous comment on the Warrior Forum Suck's article, Paul Myers Secret Email Messages, that perfectly sums up Warrior Forum moderator Paul Myers' character.

I wish he left his real name so I could thank him but I understand his desire to remain anonymous. Free speech is not allowed on the Warrior Forum, that's an indisputable fact. However, many Warrior Forum members fear retribution from Paul Myers and Allen Says even for speaking freely on a blog that does allow freedom of expression.

The comment is so good that I wanted to bring it the forefront of Warrior Forum Sucks so more people would read it. Therefore I placed it in this post.

He wrote:

'Oh Paul Myers is a nasty piece of work!

I spotted a couple of WSO scams and Myers posted that he wanted me to PM the evidence.

Unfortunatley[sic] he didn't say "please", his message seemed like an order to me so I replied saying I had decided not to provide him with any information as it was his job as a moderator to ensure that scams were dealt with.

Next time I tried to log in I found myself banned.'

That is one of the best descriptions of Warrior Forum moderator Paul Myers I have ever read.

Paul Myers Secret Email Messages

Paul Myers with Ladyfriend

Warrior Forum moderator Paul Myers is a staunch opponent of free speech. He prowls the Warrior Forum searching for innocent members who have the gall to speak truthfully on his watch.

Myers is a sad, pathetic character who helps Allen Says keep his scam machine rolling along, fleecing folks just trying to earn a buck online. Paul Myers uses bullying and censorship to accomplish this.

In this article, I'll use Paul Myers' words, including his own emails and private messages that he hoped you would never read. They will reveal a man of very low character.

One of the first things Paul Myers does to silence free speech on the Warrior Forum is bullying with insults. Here's a thread started by a Warrior Forum member complaining about the flood of crap products offered.

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/315504-flood-crap-offers-market.html

77 Warrior Forum members thanked the OP for bringing this truth to light. The vast majority of responses were supportive and approbative. Paul Myers was not. He told the readers to "screw complaining about it here".

Although Myers edited some of the thread, he did not delete it entirely. I humbly take some of the credit for this. Paul knows I'm watching him like a hawk. He has been pilloried and exposed on this blog to such a degree that he is now a laughingstock. I have also revealed the truth about Allen Says, owner of the Warrior Forum. Allen's tired of being described as a scam artist and opponent of free speech so he ordered his mod-puppet Myers to tone it down.

Another bullying tactic Paul Myers employs is threatening to shut down an internet user's internet service! He does not have the authority or power to do this but he likes some to believe he does. He actually has sent letters to internet service providers trying to get them to close a Warrior Forum member's internet service. Talk about censorship! These missives are typically full of lies but Paul wouldn't let the truth stop him from attacking free speech.

Here's a copy of one of Paul Myers' emails to an ISP:

Subject:
Abuse and harassment from one of your customers


Message:
Someone using the username "FirstInGoogle" signed up at the
Warrior Forum today, and started posting in the thread at
http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topic-forum/236459-john-reese-
sold-all-his-stuff-really-not-joke-2.html

This person either is, or is pretending to be, one Markus
Allen, who has been banned under several other usernames from
the same forum. The bans were for the same behavior, which is
in violation of the rules of that forum.

Mr Allen has a multi-year track record of making the kinds of
statements he made in that thread, but that's between him and
his target. As a moderator of the forum in question, my role
is to keep out people who have been banned for behavior that
is against the rules and is considered destructive to the
forum as a whole.

I am also not particularly thrilled with this person's actions
(whether Mr Allen or someone impersonating him) in accusing me
of being a thief, without cause or presentation of evidence.

The owner of the forum and at least one other moderator have
banned him. He, or someone pretending to be him, continues to
create user accounts and harass our members and moderator
staff. He accessed http://www.warriorforum.com from IP address
174.59.192.171 on Monday, at 11:39 PM EST.

This person created the account using the email address
markusallen [at] gmail.com for receipt of the confirmation message.

Please have a chat with whoever this person is, and explain to
them that being banned from a forum and returning to do the
same things you've been told not to do is considered to be
particularly bad netiquette?

If a warning is all it takes to keep him out of the Warrior
Forum, I'm quite happy with that. I suspect it will have to
come from you, though, as we've warned him numerous times, to
no avail. His respect for the wishes of the owners of virtual
property seems somewhat lacking.

Thank you for your time and assistance in this matter.


Paul Myers
paul@talkbiz.com

That's the type of man Paul Myers is. But there's more.

The following emails stem from John Delavera's Warrior Forum post about the proliferation of scummy, dishonest, scam internet marketing offers. The OP was thanked 188 times! It addresses the Syndicate tactics of IM gurus Frank Kern, Andy Jenkins, Brad Fallon, Dan Kennedy, Mike Koenigs, et al. Actual names aren't mentioned because the Warrior Forum prohibits that practice no matter how egregious a scam artist's fraud was.

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/318743-open-letter-dont-you-feel-ashamed-yourself.html

Because of pressure from Warrior Forum Sucks blog and others, Paul Myers did not delete the post. The thread is worth reading because it addresses the very real problem of dishonesty and fraud in internet marketing.

It's seven pages long but if you peruse it pay close attention to what John Delavera, Patrick Pretty (who enters on p.3, #104) and several others have to say on this topic. Patrick Pretty makes several compelling and convincing comments in the thread.

Wagenheim

Robert Puddy, Steven Wagenheim and other Warrior Forum asswipes show their true colors with ridiculous, weak arguments in support of the scam artists. It's good fun reading the nonsense these dolts spew.

Paul Myers also supports the scam artists. Trying to make sense of his convoluted reasoning will make your head spin with disgust.

But back to the initial reason I mentioned that Warrior Forum thread. Paul Myers' secret emails. After reading these you will have a clearer picture of the Warrior Forum 'Hammer Dropper' Paulie Myers.

It began with another WF member named Mark who commented in the thread. Earlier Mark had been unfairly banned by the Warrior Forum so he posted under a new account. Here's what he said:

Re: Open letter: Don't you feel ashamed of yourself?
You have a point John but...

Although many of us, copywriters included are absolutely sick to the back teeth of these kind of products... it has to be stated that the only reason we're seeing so many of them lately is precisely because the so called gurus have been promoting this kind of garbage, for a very long time now.

They promise the earth but never deliver the full goods. The full, complete picture. They always leave the naive newbies hanging on for more information to make their picture, their work plan complete. Dangling the proverbial carrot knowing that if they don't include the full schebang, they can always extract more money on the upsell.

And for a long time, they've been promising this system, that system and every which other way system, promising easy cash.

"Hey, look at how much money this product has made for me at the touch of a button. You can do this too, just sit back, do nothing, click a mouse 3 times and just watch the money pouring into your account."

Is it any wonder that so many lately have jumped onto this bandwagon, thinking that they too can put together similarly crap products, promise the earth but actually delivering little?

And so the snowball has grown as it rolled on downhill upon it's merry way.

Every month gaining more and more momentum as more and more people think to themselves, 'Hey! I could do with a slice of this pie'. Easy money.

Wey hey! Whack up an offer, paint up the sales letter to make it sound like the Queen's silver and deliver a bag of horse manure. Who gives a sh*t? That seems to be the common theme running these days through this industry.

So where is the blame to be laid for this remarkable downturn in the quality of Internet marketing products over the past year or two?

The gurus? Forums such as this one for accepting any WSO willy nilly? Or the new breed of marketers and young people who just want their own slice of the action?

It is what it is this situation.

Massive promises have been made.

I've seen your name too John in the testimonial boxes of many a product online. Countless times. So, what do you propose is to be done about it?

As far as I can see the situation... the snowball effect has now gained so much speed that it's bringing the entire industry into disrepute.

Everyone is getting more and more skeptical of the next latest thing to hit the market. Who can you trust these days? Where is the market heading? Can this situation be allowed to continue and if so, how precisely is that change for the better going to be accomplished?

And where should this change of direction come from?

The so called gurus perhaps? I highly doubt they'll be willing to do this after so many of their get rich quick schemes have failed to deliver. How many of them have their credibility left intact?

The Warrior Forum - Allen Says? I can't speak for him, that's his decision.

The buying public? Demanding better quality products?

Some association responsible for cleaning up this market? Getting rid of all the BS, the lies, the scams? A trust benchmark perhaps assuring high quality standards?

What is the answer? What is the solution?

Who got us into this diabolical mess in the first place? Where such high levels of distrust exist today.

People can offer opinion on this, that and the other, moan until the cows come home. Bitch, rant, throw hissy fits left, right and center but I highly doubt it'll still make one iota of difference whilst at the very core of Internet marketing... such scams are still allowed en mass to perpetuate the marketplace.

What is the solution? One does need to be found and fast to turn this downward spiral of despair around and upwards once more.

Although I suspect nothing will be done about it at all.

It'll carry on upon it's merry way for a long time to come. Spurious offers with little to no substance, promising the earth and delivering diddly fat squat.

So, what's new?

Where can this positive change for the better emanate from?

How do you control it's future destiny, this business sector?

Paul Myers did not appreciate these comments. Here is his response:

01-23-2011, 02:45 AM     
Paul Myers
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Default Sorry, Sally...
... YOU do not get to bash. Not "gurus" and not anyone else, unless you're addressing them directly in a conversation. And then you want to tread lightly.


Paul

Mark fired back:


Why apologise?

Your perception might have been that it was a 'bash' Paul - (your interpretation, not mine)... my reply was more designed to ask lots of questions without ridiculing anyone in particular.

If you can't see that by now this entire Internet marketing industry needs one hell of a boot up the arse, well, I find that rather surprising.

I don't mind you deleting the post at all. I knew it would probably have you on my ass but I thought the risk worth taking... all things considered.

However, it is odd that of all the replies on the thread, the discussion going backwards and forwards with one or two arguments you choose to delete my comments? (Rhetorical)

Another quick point, you tripped yourself up Paul in one of your replies in the high 60's on p2, a bit of a contradiction to one of your comments from the summer of last year.

In that comment last summer you very clearly stated that the WF has been a major player in the IM arena although your lastest comment as just now pointed out seems to contradict your point back then.

Anyway, 'tis all hot air anyway. I'm pretty cheerful today, busily writing at 90mph. How's your Sunday going? Do you ever get out of the house? You know, one day you should fly over here and I'll take you out fishing on my boat for the day. You need to chill out more.

Keep your chin up, stay positive.


Mark

Paul was so steamed he fired off the following private messages/emails (Mark's replies included).

Private Message: Re: Sorry, Sally...
01-23-2011, 04:14 AM    
Paul Myers
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Default Re: Sorry, Sally...
Yes, I can see that a lot of the industry needs a severe boot to the head. I can also see that you have a habit of starting out mildly and building up into making nasty comments that escalate. You don't get to do that under a fake name. Not when I know it's fake.

There are productive ways to address the problem, and then there's random griping. I'm all for the productive approaches. The generic bitchfests just chase people away, and accomplish nothing useful.

All of that aside, you - personally - do not get to be negative. I'm breaking a rule by not nuking you as soon as I knew who you were. If you start down the road that led to your being banned previously, this time it will be me that does it.

By the way... If you don't get how the two comments on the relative significance of the forum fit together, that's a problem. But it's not my problem. I don't very much care.


Paul
There are things you need to know to succeed online
Get them here - free

Mark replied:


Oh for petes sake Paul, there was nothing 'nasty' in my comments whatsoever.

That's just your own twisted logic jumping to false conclusions.

Seriously mate, it get really old when you constantly put emotion into words that are simply not there.

You've got the wrong end of the stick. (again)

I'm in a well good, happy mood - things here are going very well. I'm not in the mood to hear negativity whatsoever from you, seriously.

Like I said, it just gets really, really old, the same old record being played over and over and over again.

As I said, you need to get out more, get a life, enjoy yourself more, let your hair down. All this preaching at other people telling them how they should be all the time, treating others like we're in kindergarten school, it's laughable.

Blimey!

Myers was becoming unhinged:

Private Message: Re: Sorry, Sally...
01-23-2011, 04:30 AM     
Paul Myers
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Default Re: Sorry, Sally...
I didn't say nasty. I said negative.

As far as your opinion of me, I don't really care much either way. It seems to change based on whatever is convenient to say at the moment, so it hasn't much meaning. If you start to sound like the old version of you, though, the new version of you will be gone.

Do what you want with that. It's up to you.


Paul
There are things you need to know to succeed online
Get them here - free

Mark continued to needle and toy with Paul:

You are mistaken, you said nasty Paul, in this context...

I quote, "I can also see that you have a habit of starting out mildly and building up into making nasty comments that escalate."

The only one being 'nasty' today Paul is you. It's certainly not me.

Just because I won't take your bullying lying down doesn't mean I'll allow you to take pot shots at me just because the fancy takes you or the fact that John has gotten underneath your skin.

Simply because I reply to you doesn't mean I'm being anything but reasonable towards you.

Although quite likely, if I was to meet you down the pub and you started out being this silly, here you would be sat down on very hard for being so ridiculous, absurd, frankly rude and altogether not making a hell of a lot of sense.

That isn't rude, it's just the way it is. It's called being truthful.

I won't take your bullying at my age in my mid forties, full stop.

This is just getting more and more childish by the minute.

Have a great day Paul.


Mark

Paul Myers steps up his bullying even as he was falling apart:

Private Message: Re: Sorry, Sally...
01-23-2011, 05:14 AM     
Paul Myers
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Yes, I did say that. But it was about where you tend to go, not where you'd been. The relevant comment to which I'm referring is: "All of that aside, you - personally - do not get to be negative."

Oh... and I did say "bash." That was guru bashing in that post, as I see it. Annoying because it was expressed as an all-inclusive statement, rather than being limited to the folks who employ the deceptive practices to which you referred.

I've let you get away with something no-one else here would have - keeping this account. If you don't like that, you are free to leave. If you don't behave properly, the account will be banned. That's not bulltying. That's enforcing the rules.

In bars, I don't have to bother with enforcing the rules. Different environment altogether, in case that wasn't obvious.


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Mark signs out, thinking Myers has run out of foolish things to say:


You're just goading me Paul but it's not working.

I'm having a fantastic day here, what a shame though that you're obviously not and lashing out with a temper tantrum every two minutes.

As I said, this is just getting old and most frightfully boring.

Enjoy your weekend, whats left of it. Go for a walk, get some fresh air, do something productive to clear the cobwebs from your mind.

You've obviously got a major problem, whatever the dickens that is, stop projecting it onto me.


Mark

But it's not over! Paul Myers then proceeds to threaten and warn Mark for thanking other people's comments on the above mentioned Warrior Forum post. Was Myers on his sixth Jack Daniels when he wrote this?

01-31-2011, 03:33 AM     
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Mark,

This is the one and only time I have ever warned anyone about a "Thank you." It fits with what I said to you last week: You do not get to be negative here. Not in any way, shape or form.

You, personally, do not get to complain, criticize, gripe, bitch, or mutter under your breath about anything here. You are the one and only person ever to be put into that position.

You are a trespasser, and I haven't yet "called the cops."

You may have two syllables to reply. (That should cover it.) Every syllable after that gets you a week's worth of banning. Go over 6 syllables, and you're gone for good, along with every account you create that I identify as being you, or suspect might be you, for as long as I or anyone I've trained or modded with here has any connection with the place.

I warned you, Mark. I broke the rules to let you have a second chance. You've hit the limit.

By the way... email me on this and it counts as 200 syllables. I'm done playing your stupid games.


Paul


That dear reader, in his own words, is the real Warrior Forum moderator, Mr. Paul Myers.

James Malinchak Empty Head, Empty House Wants To Empty Your Wallet

Recently Salty Droid exposed James Malinchak as "a scammer. A dark :: horrible :: lying :: scheming :: life destroying :: money stealing :: back stabbing :: asshole scammer".

Read my review of Salty Droid.

Jimmy didn't appreciate the Droid's biting wit and well researched corn holing. So, one day, while flossing with .018 gauge steel E guitar string in his empty bathroom, Jim came up with a plan to fight back.

He asked his lawyers at Lavely and Singer to send a threatening letter, not to the Droid, but to Tom Antion! It's all explained in the Salty Droid's Malinchak response. Read it now.

The Droid writes one of the best blogs online. He is smart, fearless and witty. He has bitched slapped Mark Shurtleff, corrupt AG of Utah, so he's not about to back down from a scammer like James Malinchak.

UPDATE! The James Malinchak Scam

Warrior Forum WSO Plagiarism 101

A Warrior Forum WSO was recently offered by Suzi Phillips, aka spiderweb on the Warrior Forum. Suzi offered it but she didn't create it...she stole it from another marketer and tried to pass it off as her own.

Tip of the hat to 'Disappointed Warrior Forum member' Martin for this gem. Seems Suzi wanted to make some money on the Warrior Forum without having to do any actual work. She used the Imran Naseem marketing formula, plagiarism. At least Rehash King Imran Naseem attempted to hide his thefts with rewriting, Suzi Phillips just copied another person's WSO almost verbatim!

Here's Martin's report:


Hi, this is Martin (a disappointed member of the WF)

A WF member called spiderweb post a WSO at WSO section of the warrior forum. This wouldn´t be surprising at all if she rewrote the wso she stole... She actually copied(several of them) word by word! (This is way worse than Imran´s shit!)

Here´s spiderweb´s WSO.

Here is one of the WSO spiderweb copied shamelessly.

The user noangel exposed this fraud, here´s her quote:

"I have now had an opportunity to go through the videos and was very surprised to find
that not only were all the methods very familiar, but I have in fact bought them before as
WSOs from other Warriors. I won't give the original author's names unless I'm requested
to do so by the Mods.


For example:

METHOD 2

Purchased ver batim on 8 July 2010.
The WSO was called "$350 in 15 Minutes"


METHOD 3

Purchased word for word on 2 December 2010
The WSO was called "How To Make $297 Daily From Ebay - 2nd Edition".


METHOD 4

Again word for word, purchased 14 Aug 2010
The WSO was called "$700/day with CPA"


Are you claiming all these as your original work, because there is nothing you
are offering that I have not either seen, or purchased on this forum before.

I am now going to do something that's very, very rare for me...

I am requesting a refund, merely because I already own the material."


The last post of the WSO shows several members disappointed with their purchased and saying that the method are beautiful...IN THEORY!

Another thing that surprised me is how several warriors were defending spiderweb. I mean come on she clearly copied those WSO... How Can they defend that? I am extremely disappointed of the warrior forum and its members.

Thanks and I hope you expose this fraud at the WFS.

Thanks again

Martin

Later Martin sent me this update about spiderweb's plagiarism scam:

Looks like Mario Gomes discovered that spiderweb stole his WSO and repost it as her own.

Here´s his quote(Mario):

I would like to ask you who gave you the permission to sell your "METHOD 2"

The WSO was called "How To Make $297 Daily From Ebay - 2nd Edition".

and here is spiderweb´s WSO.

It is so disappointing how many warriors are defending this shameless thief... this is the "decadence" of the warrior forum LIVE!

Thanks again

Martin

If you read the last several posts in spiderwebs' WSO thread you'll notice many Warrior Forum members mention that the WSO just doesn't work. With Andrew Tudor's aka Dave Rivera's aka Monta's recent WSO scam confession, it's easy to see that the Warrior Forum is a very dangerous place for any marketer to spend money.