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Warrior Forum moderator Paul Myers is a staunch opponent of free speech. He prowls the Warrior Forum searching for innocent members who have the gall to speak truthfully on his watch.
Myers is a sad, pathetic character who helps Allen Says keep his scam machine rolling along, fleecing folks just trying to earn a buck online. Paul Myers uses bullying and censorship to accomplish this.
In this article, I'll use Paul Myers' words, including his own emails and private messages that he hoped you would never read. They will reveal a man of very low character.
One of the first things Paul Myers does to silence free speech on the Warrior Forum is bullying with insults. Here's a thread started by a Warrior Forum member complaining about the flood of crap products offered.
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/315504-flood-crap-offers-market.html
77 Warrior Forum members thanked the OP for bringing this truth to light. The vast majority of responses were supportive and approbative. Paul Myers was not. He told the readers to "screw complaining about it here".
Although Myers edited some of the thread, he did not delete it entirely. I humbly take some of the credit for this. Paul knows I'm watching him like a hawk. He has been pilloried and exposed on this blog to such a degree that he is now a laughingstock. I have also revealed the truth about
Allen Says, owner of the Warrior Forum. Allen's tired of being described as a scam artist and opponent of free speech so he ordered his mod-puppet Myers to tone it down.
Another bullying tactic Paul Myers employs is threatening to shut down an internet user's internet service! He does not have the authority or power to do this but he likes some to believe he does. He actually has sent letters to internet service providers trying to get them to close a Warrior Forum member's internet service. Talk about censorship! These missives are typically full of lies but Paul wouldn't let the truth stop him from attacking free speech.
Here's a copy of one of Paul Myers' emails to an ISP:

Subject:
Abuse and harassment from one of your customers
Message:
Someone using the username "FirstInGoogle" signed up at the
Warrior Forum today, and started posting in the thread at
http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topic-forum/236459-john-reese-
sold-all-his-stuff-really-not-joke-2.html
This person either is, or is pretending to be, one Markus
Allen, who has been banned under several other usernames from
the same forum. The bans were for the same behavior, which is
in violation of the rules of that forum.
Mr Allen has a multi-year track record of making the kinds of
statements he made in that thread, but that's between him and
his target. As a moderator of the forum in question, my role
is to keep out people who have been banned for behavior that
is against the rules and is considered destructive to the
forum as a whole.
I am also not particularly thrilled with this person's actions
(whether Mr Allen or someone impersonating him) in accusing me
of being a thief, without cause or presentation of evidence.
The owner of the forum and at least one other moderator have
banned him. He, or someone pretending to be him, continues to
create user accounts and harass our members and moderator
staff. He accessed http://www.warriorforum.com from IP address
174.59.192.171 on Monday, at 11:39 PM EST.
This person created the account using the email address
markusallen [at] gmail.com for receipt of the confirmation message.
Please have a chat with whoever this person is, and explain to
them that being banned from a forum and returning to do the
same things you've been told not to do is considered to be
particularly bad netiquette?
If a warning is all it takes to keep him out of the Warrior
Forum, I'm quite happy with that. I suspect it will have to
come from you, though, as we've warned him numerous times, to
no avail. His respect for the wishes of the owners of virtual
property seems somewhat lacking.
Thank you for your time and assistance in this matter.
Paul Myers
paul@talkbiz.com
That's the type of man Paul Myers is. But there's more.
The following emails stem from John Delavera's Warrior Forum post about the proliferation of scummy, dishonest, scam internet marketing offers. The OP was thanked 188 times! It addresses
the Syndicate tactics of IM gurus Frank Kern, Andy Jenkins, Brad Fallon, Dan Kennedy, Mike Koenigs, et al. Actual names aren't mentioned because the Warrior Forum prohibits that practice no matter how egregious a scam artist's fraud was.
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/318743-open-letter-dont-you-feel-ashamed-yourself.html
Because of pressure from Warrior Forum Sucks blog and others, Paul Myers did not delete the post. The thread is worth reading because it addresses the very real problem of dishonesty and fraud in internet marketing.
It's seven pages long but if you peruse it pay close attention to what John Delavera,
Patrick Pretty (who enters on p.3, #104) and several others have to say on this topic. Patrick Pretty makes several compelling and convincing comments in the thread.
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| Wagenheim |
Robert Puddy,
Steven Wagenheim and other Warrior Forum asswipes show their true colors with ridiculous, weak arguments in support of the scam artists. It's good fun reading the nonsense these dolts spew.
Paul Myers also supports the scam artists. Trying to make sense of his convoluted reasoning will make your head spin with disgust.
But back to the initial reason I mentioned that Warrior Forum thread. Paul Myers' secret emails. After reading these you will have a clearer picture of the Warrior Forum 'Hammer Dropper' Paulie Myers.
It began with another WF member named Mark who commented in the thread. Earlier Mark had been unfairly banned by the Warrior Forum so he posted under a new account. Here's what he said:
Re: Open letter: Don't you feel ashamed of yourself?
You have a point John but...
Although many of us, copywriters included are absolutely sick to the back teeth of these kind of products... it has to be stated that the only reason we're seeing so many of them lately is precisely because the so called gurus have been promoting this kind of garbage, for a very long time now.
They promise the earth but never deliver the full goods. The full, complete picture. They always leave the naive newbies hanging on for more information to make their picture, their work plan complete. Dangling the proverbial carrot knowing that if they don't include the full schebang, they can always extract more money on the upsell.
And for a long time, they've been promising this system, that system and every which other way system, promising easy cash.
"Hey, look at how much money this product has made for me at the touch of a button. You can do this too, just sit back, do nothing, click a mouse 3 times and just watch the money pouring into your account."
Is it any wonder that so many lately have jumped onto this bandwagon, thinking that they too can put together similarly crap products, promise the earth but actually delivering little?
And so the snowball has grown as it rolled on downhill upon it's merry way.
Every month gaining more and more momentum as more and more people think to themselves, 'Hey! I could do with a slice of this pie'. Easy money.
Wey hey! Whack up an offer, paint up the sales letter to make it sound like the Queen's silver and deliver a bag of horse manure. Who gives a sh*t? That seems to be the common theme running these days through this industry.
So where is the blame to be laid for this remarkable downturn in the quality of Internet marketing products over the past year or two?
The gurus? Forums such as this one for accepting any WSO willy nilly? Or the new breed of marketers and young people who just want their own slice of the action?
It is what it is this situation.
Massive promises have been made.
I've seen your name too John in the testimonial boxes of many a product online. Countless times. So, what do you propose is to be done about it?
As far as I can see the situation... the snowball effect has now gained so much speed that it's bringing the entire industry into disrepute.
Everyone is getting more and more skeptical of the next latest thing to hit the market. Who can you trust these days? Where is the market heading? Can this situation be allowed to continue and if so, how precisely is that change for the better going to be accomplished?
And where should this change of direction come from?
The so called gurus perhaps? I highly doubt they'll be willing to do this after so many of their get rich quick schemes have failed to deliver. How many of them have their credibility left intact?
The Warrior Forum - Allen Says? I can't speak for him, that's his decision.
The buying public? Demanding better quality products?
Some association responsible for cleaning up this market? Getting rid of all the BS, the lies, the scams? A trust benchmark perhaps assuring high quality standards?
What is the answer? What is the solution?
Who got us into this diabolical mess in the first place? Where such high levels of distrust exist today.
People can offer opinion on this, that and the other, moan until the cows come home. Bitch, rant, throw hissy fits left, right and center but I highly doubt it'll still make one iota of difference whilst at the very core of Internet marketing... such scams are still allowed en mass to perpetuate the marketplace.
What is the solution? One does need to be found and fast to turn this downward spiral of despair around and upwards once more.
Although I suspect nothing will be done about it at all.
It'll carry on upon it's merry way for a long time to come. Spurious offers with little to no substance, promising the earth and delivering diddly fat squat.
So, what's new?
Where can this positive change for the better emanate from?
How do you control it's future destiny, this business sector?
Paul Myers did not appreciate these comments. Here is his response:
01-23-2011, 02:45 AM
Paul Myers
Zen Redneck
War Room Member
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Erie, PA
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Default Sorry, Sally...
... YOU do not get to bash. Not "gurus" and not anyone else, unless you're addressing them directly in a conversation. And then you want to tread lightly.
Paul
Mark fired back:
Why apologise?
Your perception might have been that it was a 'bash' Paul - (your interpretation, not mine)... my reply was more designed to ask lots of questions without ridiculing anyone in particular.
If you can't see that by now this entire Internet marketing industry needs one hell of a boot up the arse, well, I find that rather surprising.
I don't mind you deleting the post at all. I knew it would probably have you on my ass but I thought the risk worth taking... all things considered.
However, it is odd that of all the replies on the thread, the discussion going backwards and forwards with one or two arguments you choose to delete my comments? (Rhetorical)
Another quick point, you tripped yourself up Paul in one of your replies in the high 60's on p2, a bit of a contradiction to one of your comments from the summer of last year.
In that comment last summer you very clearly stated that the WF has been a major player in the IM arena although your lastest comment as just now pointed out seems to contradict your point back then.
Anyway, 'tis all hot air anyway. I'm pretty cheerful today, busily writing at 90mph. How's your Sunday going? Do you ever get out of the house? You know, one day you should fly over here and I'll take you out fishing on my boat for the day. You need to chill out more.
Keep your chin up, stay positive.
Mark
Paul was so steamed he fired off the following private messages/emails (Mark's replies included).
Private Message: Re: Sorry, Sally...
01-23-2011, 04:14 AM
Paul Myers
Zen Redneck
War Room Member
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Erie, PA
Posts: 9,944
Thanks: 578
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Default Re: Sorry, Sally...
Yes, I can see that a lot of the industry needs a severe boot to the head. I can also see that you have a habit of starting out mildly and building up into making nasty comments that escalate. You don't get to do that under a fake name. Not when I know it's fake.
There are productive ways to address the problem, and then there's random griping. I'm all for the productive approaches. The generic bitchfests just chase people away, and accomplish nothing useful.
All of that aside, you - personally - do not get to be negative. I'm breaking a rule by not nuking you as soon as I knew who you were. If you start down the road that led to your being banned previously, this time it will be me that does it.
By the way... If you don't get how the two comments on the relative significance of the forum fit together, that's a problem. But it's not my problem. I don't very much care.
Paul
There are things you need to know to succeed online
Get them here - free
Mark replied:
Oh for petes sake Paul, there was nothing 'nasty' in my comments whatsoever.
That's just your own twisted logic jumping to false conclusions.
Seriously mate, it get really old when you constantly put emotion into words that are simply not there.
You've got the wrong end of the stick. (again)
I'm in a well good, happy mood - things here are going very well. I'm not in the mood to hear negativity whatsoever from you, seriously.
Like I said, it just gets really, really old, the same old record being played over and over and over again.
As I said, you need to get out more, get a life, enjoy yourself more, let your hair down. All this preaching at other people telling them how they should be all the time, treating others like we're in kindergarten school, it's laughable.
Blimey!
Myers was becoming unhinged:
Private Message: Re: Sorry, Sally...
01-23-2011, 04:30 AM
Paul Myers
Zen Redneck
War Room Member
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Erie, PA
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Default Re: Sorry, Sally...
I didn't say nasty. I said negative.
As far as your opinion of me, I don't really care much either way. It seems to change based on whatever is convenient to say at the moment, so it hasn't much meaning. If you start to sound like the old version of you, though, the new version of you will be gone.
Do what you want with that. It's up to you.
Paul
There are things you need to know to succeed online
Get them here - free
Mark continued to needle and toy with Paul:
You are mistaken, you said nasty Paul, in this context...
I quote, "I can also see that you have a habit of starting out mildly and building up into making nasty comments that escalate."
The only one being 'nasty' today Paul is you. It's certainly not me.
Just because I won't take your bullying lying down doesn't mean I'll allow you to take pot shots at me just because the fancy takes you or the fact that John has gotten underneath your skin.
Simply because I reply to you doesn't mean I'm being anything but reasonable towards you.
Although quite likely, if I was to meet you down the pub and you started out being this silly, here you would be sat down on very hard for being so ridiculous, absurd, frankly rude and altogether not making a hell of a lot of sense.
That isn't rude, it's just the way it is. It's called being truthful.
I won't take your bullying at my age in my mid forties, full stop.
This is just getting more and more childish by the minute.
Have a great day Paul.
Mark
Paul Myers steps up his bullying even as he was falling apart:
Private Message: Re: Sorry, Sally...
01-23-2011, 05:14 AM
Paul Myers
Zen Redneck
War Room Member
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Erie, PA
Posts: 9,944
Thanks: 578
Thanked 4,710 Times in 1,278 Posts
Default Re: Sorry, Sally...
Yes, I did say that. But it was about where you tend to go, not where you'd been. The relevant comment to which I'm referring is: "All of that aside, you - personally - do not get to be negative."
Oh... and I did say "bash." That was guru bashing in that post, as I see it. Annoying because it was expressed as an all-inclusive statement, rather than being limited to the folks who employ the deceptive practices to which you referred.
I've let you get away with something no-one else here would have - keeping this account. If you don't like that, you are free to leave. If you don't behave properly, the account will be banned. That's not bulltying. That's enforcing the rules.
In bars, I don't have to bother with enforcing the rules. Different environment altogether, in case that wasn't obvious.
Paul
There are things you need to know to succeed online
Get them here - free
Mark signs out, thinking Myers has run out of foolish things to say:
You're just goading me Paul but it's not working.
I'm having a fantastic day here, what a shame though that you're obviously not and lashing out with a temper tantrum every two minutes.
As I said, this is just getting old and most frightfully boring.
Enjoy your weekend, whats left of it. Go for a walk, get some fresh air, do something productive to clear the cobwebs from your mind.
You've obviously got a major problem, whatever the dickens that is, stop projecting it onto me.
Mark
But it's not over! Paul Myers then proceeds to threaten and warn Mark for thanking other people's comments on the above mentioned Warrior Forum post. Was Myers on his sixth Jack Daniels when he wrote this?
01-31-2011, 03:33 AM
Paul Myers
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Default The last straw
Mark,
This is the one and only time I have ever warned anyone about a "Thank you." It fits with what I said to you last week: You do not get to be negative here. Not in any way, shape or form.
You, personally, do not get to complain, criticize, gripe, bitch, or mutter under your breath about anything here. You are the one and only person ever to be put into that position.
You are a trespasser, and I haven't yet "called the cops."
You may have two syllables to reply. (That should cover it.) Every syllable after that gets you a week's worth of banning. Go over 6 syllables, and you're gone for good, along with every account you create that I identify as being you, or suspect might be you, for as long as I or anyone I've trained or modded with here has any connection with the place.
I warned you, Mark. I broke the rules to let you have a second chance. You've hit the limit.
By the way... email me on this and it counts as 200 syllables. I'm done playing your stupid games.
Paul
That dear reader, in his own words, is the real Warrior Forum moderator, Mr. Paul Myers.