Each week I receive many tips from good folks fed up with the dishonesty, corruption and nonsense displayed on the Warrior Forum by Allen Says, Paul Myers and others. Here's what Markus Allen had to say about Paul Myers:
"I've had battles at the Warrior Forum with Paul Myers for years. Paul Myers is the ultimate shill for the IM criminal syndicate. Experienced forum watchers know this and just ignore him, but newbies get sucked in like a new vacuum.
But my absolute favorite showdown with the Pennsylvania cowboy is when he ultimately sent this "threat" to my Internet Service Provider a few months ago.
Here's a copy:
Subject:
Abuse and harassment from one of your customers
Message:
Someone using the username "FirstInGoogle" signed up at the
Warrior Forum today, and started posting in the thread at
http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topic-forum/236459-john-reese-
sold-all-his-stuff-really-not-joke-2.html
This person either is, or is pretending to be, one Markus
Allen, who has been banned under several other usernames from
the same forum. The bans were for the same behavior, which is
in violation of the rules of that forum.
Mr Allen has a multi-year track record of making the kinds of
statements he made in that thread, but that's between him and
his target. As a moderator of the forum in question, my role
is to keep out people who have been banned for behavior that
is against the rules and is considered destructive to the
forum as a whole.
I am also not particularly thrilled with this person's actions
(whether Mr Allen or someone impersonating him) in accusing me
of being a thief, without cause or presentation of evidence.
The owner of the forum and at least one other moderator have
banned him. He, or someone pretending to be him, continues to
create user accounts and harass our members and moderator
staff. He accessed http://www.warriorforum.com from IP address
174.59.192.171 on Monday, at 11:39 PM EST.
This person created the account using the email address
markusallen [at] gmail.com for receipt of the confirmation message.
Please have a chat with whoever this person is, and explain to
them that being banned from a forum and returning to do the
same things you've been told not to do is considered to be
particularly bad netiquette?
If a warning is all it takes to keep him out of the Warrior
Forum, I'm quite happy with that. I suspect it will have to
come from you, though, as we've warned him numerous times, to
no avail. His respect for the wishes of the owners of virtual
property seems somewhat lacking.
Thank you for your time and assistance in this matter.
Paul Myers
paul@talkbiz.com
Yikes. I couldn't sleep for weeks after getting this gem (dripping with sarcasm).
Amazing that I offered some facts about John Reese at a "discussion forum" (I use this term loosely as there's only room to discuss if you worship any of the IM gods) and instead got banned and scolded and sent a DMCA-style threat. Nice.
By the way, everyone claims that Myers is a marketing god... yet his home is currently appraised at just $42,000. That doesn't surprise me as most of the "gurus" fake it 'til the make it.
Here's proof (and I got the address from his TalkBiz website):
http://bit.ly/bIf3Km
And here's Myers' "McMansion":
http://bit.ly/dvZ7la
Chuck... keep it up here, dude. Don't let them bully you. I've been screaming about these frauds since November of 1997."
14 comments:
What's in the back of the pickup truck in Paul's driveway? Is that a dog carrier? For his bloodhound? Does he use it to hunt down honest folks on the WF? On another note, Paul's house costs less than some campers, and from the looks of it, I'd go with the camper.
At first when I saw the photo you posted I was thinking "Questionable neighborhood, but not all THAT bad." However upon clicking the Google street view link and "driving around" to E 24th St and viewing his place from the front.... wow, that is total ghetto. I would be afraid to live in that neighborhood. And THIS man writes a newsletter about how to make money? I am speechless. Although I should have expected this. I have never been impressed with what he has to say.
Be careful! I was looking around there with that Google "streetview" link and I got virtually mugged. Don't use that link after dark!
Front of the mansion:
http://bit.ly/9gIFyI
5th house to the right:
http://bit.ly/9V2ZyR
I'm loving this gated community already.
7th to the right. Condemned, boarded up. Possible crack house:
http://bit.ly/dcZ9v9
If I was the mod of Warrior Forum I would make constant use of his tavern / liquor store at the end of the block:
http://bit.ly/9izaYR
The result of a home security plan WSO? Martha Stewart does not approve:
http://bit.ly/dzzFIR
It's one thing to live in a place like this. It is what it is. There are people of all income levels. But when you live here and cop the attitude of a big shot in online business, that is just pathetic.
If Paul Myers put a Coke machine in his porch, would his income double?
Paul Myers actually gets internet in that old shack? Does it even have indoor plumbing?
What a neighborhood:
http://www.city-data.com/soz/soz-16503.html
I'm ready to out the frauds. I've been waiting 11 years to do this. The time is right now...
... I've invited a few big name IMers to reveal the dark side of Internet Marketing, and we're recording it for tomorrow.
Details here:
http://www.marketing-ideas.org/Great-American-Dream.php
It's time to finally say enough is enough with these scammers.
Markus,
I got into it big time on the WF back when Paul wrote the sales letter to sell Joyner's ASEOP code. (I'm saying ASEOP from memory and probably have it wrong.)
After reading this I went back to try to find some of the documents I'd saved, or thought I'd saved, but I did find one that I posted on the WF.
The reason I'm mentioning this to you is because for some reason, I have a link to your website at the very end of one of the posts. Don't remember what it was though. I think you may have been trying to point out the hypocrisy of Myers too.
Here's the message I posted on the WF. We went 'round and 'round about it for a few days. Him, INSISTING that he never said that Joyner was getting out of internet marketing and me proving it several times with his own words.
The post has been edited down to fit the character and HTML requirements:
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Here's the email that I received from Paul Meyers on 4/1/03. As you can see, the second sentence says, "Mark Joyner is getting out of the Internet marketing business." So is there a difference between, "NOT marketing online", and "getting out of the Internet marketing business"? HA! Pfff... some people's intellect is dizzying! See for yourself...
Hi folks,
This one you are just not going to believe.
Mark Joyner is getting out of the Internet marketing business.(If you don't know who Mark is, scroll down a bit and come back when you're done.)
In the process of closing up shop, he's selling off some of the most valuable products ever created for doing business online. bla, bla, bla...
Copyright Paul Myers, 2002
-----===(*)===-----
I distinctly remember that he said that he was leaving to pursue philanthropic goals. I wish I could show you this because it’s almost exactly what he said. Here’s a link to a letter that says in the headline that he’s getting out. I’m pretty sure that this is the same letter that said, “to pursue philanthropic goals.” I wish you could read the whole thing, but it doesn't scroll. What does, “I’m Leaving The Internet Marketing Game…” mean? Good God, he must be taking lessons from Bill Clinton. WAKE UP for Gods sake and ours too!
markusallen dot org / artwork / mark-joyner
END POST ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Paul kept INSISTING that he didn't say that Mark was getting out of internet marketing although the headline of the sales letter Paul wrote said, "I'm Leaving the Internet Marketing Game and... I'm Giving Away The Store!"
And just like you guys here describe, I got tons of Myers 'suck-ups' coming to his rescue and berating me. Not that I gave a crap but I was shocked to see how blind so many could be when proof was right there in their face.
I didn't hear about him banning Jim Straw. WOW! Jim is one of the most decent and smartest human beings I know. I have told him twice about Joyner's past claims about leaving internet marketing but Jim continues to sell his products through affiliate programs. I don't hold it against Jim, he doesn't know me that well and Joyner still has a fairly decent name out there.
I also had quite the "discussion" with that Puddy a-hole on the WF too several years ago. I'd LOVE to meet him face to face. He wouldn't have been such a tough guy, I guarantee it.
You guys have Imran pegged too. The punk is making bank off of stuff he makes up in his mind and rehashed stuff. There's no way he does most of what he "teaches". But people keep falling for it.
Keep up the great work here guys. It's as if you've been picking my brain.
What's that Paul, a picture of your remodeled outhouse? What a dirtbag.
Myers is mentally unstable. The bastard got me kicked off my ISP not once but two times after I argued with him on the WF.
I'd love to get a hold of his IP address and report him for his bullying and abusive posts over the years.
This is the thing about thieves and scammers - they can't manage money for shit. They can scam the entire world and they'll still spend it all, and then they'll rinse and repeat the scamming process.
It's usually the honest workers that know how to save money and buy a nice house, car, etc.
LMAO My shed's bigger than that! I wonder what he looks like. I have an image of a fat, flabby, unwashed, middle aged bloke with a baseball cap on all the time and food stains down his string vest. Long, straggly hair that's greasy and he's chewing tobacco.
Every so often the kids in the neighborhood throw things at his windows and run off laughing when he comes storming out lol
It's just the impression he gives albeit a big one ;).....ever seen the film 'Wrong Turn' lol
"Anonymous said...
If Paul Myers put a Coke machine in his porch, would his income double?"
ANSWER: No the Coke machine would lose half its value.
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